Cady Ternity – Sara, Ben & James Griffin

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  • Interview Date: Saturday 10/11/2025 at BIGHEAVYWORLD studio in Burlington VT
  • Episode Number: 59
  • Release Date: 10/16/2025
  • Episode Length: 46:39

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Becca: What’s New 802? I’m Becca Hammond and you’re listening to Vermont Talks. Vermont Talks may include graphic or explicit content. Listener discretion is advised. Today is Saturday the 11th of October in 2025 and I am at Big Heavy World studio with Katie Ternity Band. Katie Ternity is founded by Mary Cupple, Ben Burr and Sarah Primo. Get that right? That’s us. Good. Okay. And includes James Griffin now on drums. That’s me. And do you guys both play and sing?

Ben: Sarah is the lead singer.

Sara: Okay. Yeah. I try to change that. I try to get more both of us happening.

James Griffin: She’s very resistant. She’s like in denial that she’s the lead singer.

Becca: Yeah. And do you play guitar or two? Who plays guitar?

Ben: I always switch back and forth. Okay. Guitar and bass and keys. Cool. Yes. I was going to say it sounds like there’s a lot going on sonically in your band. So let’s talk about that a little bit. So let me get the sophomore. Sophomoric. Yeah.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that word in my life. Sophomoric album on and on and on and on. Really last October was called one of the best Vermont records of the year by Seven Days. And you guys are working on bringing live music to your hometown in Northfield, Vermont.

And that is the Woods Lodge where you’re going to be playing music. Correct. Okay.

All right. So let’s talk about your sound and your albums. And you have a lot of different releases. How many are full albums? How many are singles? And let’s talk. We have two full length albums. The first album had two singles. The second album had three singles.

James Griffin: Three singles.

Ben: Yeah. But we were sort of releasing them as singles and then we realized three singles and like, oh, actually we have a whole album here. Yeah. So we sort of put it on the back burner and waited to release that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we also have an EP, which is a collaboration with our friend, OJ Mountain from New York. Cool.

Becca: Very cool. And our Christmas song as well. And our Christmas song. Yes. The Christmas song, which came out also last year. Right? Yes. Very cool.

Ben: Not as much critical of clay.

Becca: The Christmas market is a cutthroat market.

Sara: It sure is. I’m trying to break in though.

Becca: That was a cool song, though. I did check that one out. Thanks. So more about your sound. Okay. Wait one second. Because you said, I didn’t realize that James is new to the band-ish. When did James join the band?

Ben: It not necessarily new, but so

James Griffin: we had, we were the Ben Burr band before we were Katie Ternandes. We were joined by some other people and then

Sara: I guess you guys wanted to- Actually, before that, they both played in dueling cover bands in high school.

James Griffin: So they go back. They go away back. Yes, we did. But yes, Ben Burr and the blanks, whatever, Ben Burr and the Booger Bears, Ben Burr and the Milfs.

Sara: A couple of different. 2022 probably. Something like that.

James Griffin: 2021’s new, yeah. Then like January 2023. We kind of didn’t play for a month or whatever. Yeah. And then Ben was like, hey, you want to record drums for this new thing we’re doing.

James Griffin: And I was like, yeah, sure. Cool.

Ben: Sarah and I wrote the first album, The New Direction. We quit our jobs in December of 2022, I think. And we’re just kind of like lost figuring out what we were going to do next. And we’re like, well, let’s just like make some music and see if that’s any fun. And then like a week later, we had written a whole album. Nice. Cool. So we called Griffin to come play the drums.

James Griffin: And we recorded it on a tape recorder and it didn’t go as well as we would hope.

James Griffin: It was before I got the Tascam tape recorder. So we were recording onto a Marantz actual cassette player. Oh, yeah. Great. And so the speed wasn’t as locked in. So it was very wavy. So we went to record the tape back into Logic with all the drums on it. And it was just changing tempos constantly. So we chopped it up and did what we could. Yeah.

Becca: I love analog recording. It’s its own set of issues, though. Yeah. Yeah. That’s cool, though, that you tried to do that.

James Griffin: We tried. It was giving our best shot. It was really going to be such a vibe.

Ben: And then it was, well, it wasn’t even like we wanted to do it that way. I just had this Soundcraft Multi-Track 24 board. And it’s what I’d been using as an interface for a really long time. But it was one of the old models where this capacitor would blow and you wouldn’t be able to use it as an interface anymore.

Oh, yeah. But it still functioned as a 24 channel board. So we were trying to figure out how to use all of those inputs and all of the drum mics that we had while only being able to record in stereo. And for some reason I wasn’t thinking properly. And I was like, oh, well, we’ll go on to tape and then we’ll record the tape into the two track interface. And I was like, wait, I could have just put the stereo out from the board into the interface.

James Griffin: Do you have any idea? Rookie mistake. Any idea what they’re talking about?

Sara: Yeah. I was there. I was part of the problem.

James Griffin: I’m on an island over here. I’m the guy. I’m the dummy. I’m the chump. You’ll soon learn.

Ben: We’re actually making fun of you right now.

James Griffin: Oh, man.

Becca: It takes some real effort and I have to applaud your attempts with anything. Cosette is such a pain. I tried to make a cassette dooping business. My God. Those machines are so old now and they literally cannot make stereo heads anymore. There’s not a single factory on the planet making stereo heads.

Ben: We ran into a very similar issue. We brought we bought three tape dooping machines and we got them and we’re like, oh, none of these work.

Sara: We know what started tape label.

Becca: Who did you buy them from?

Ben: Craigslist. Some guy at a parking lot. Oh, shit. They’re probably mine. They’re probably the ones that I gutted. I knew two of them didn’t work and I told him that.

Sara: Were they for like audio book, like mono, like low fidelity sort of?

Becca: I’m not sure what it was. I hope not.

James Griffin: Well, I have to show me pictures because I feel that. Small heavy world. I gave them like the diagrams. I’d reverse engineered the circuit board and replaced all the capacitors because they all die after about 25 years.

Like they just are not good anymore, even if they kind of work. Anyway, yeah, you’ll have to show me pictures because I wanted to make a cassette like dooping, you know, like a label. Oh my God, though. I so quickly got very discouraged by the entire format that is cassette. You know what? Not this. This is not the jam.

Ben: I think we all go through it though because you see it and you’re like, this would be such an affordable way to get music to people. And then you actually get your hands on it and it’s like, oh, this is why this isn’t a popular thing.

Becca: Yeah, no, there’s a reason that they don’t make those things anymore and they’re just, they’re not as good. I don’t know. Vinyl has its own set of problems, but I feel like it’s still kind of fun to play with vinyl. Playing with cassettes is not fun.

So quickly, I’m like, this is not like this is not what I thought it was going to be. Okay, anyhoo, let us talk more about your band and you have an upcoming music video. Want to talk about that and where you’re doing it, who you’re doing it with. Sure.

Ben: So our original intention was to sort of have this upcoming Halloween party, which I’m sure we’ll talk about in a little bit, be a music video release party as well. But we’ve been working on this single.

It’s called the complicated type. We wrote it last October, September. It’s been quite a while that we’ve been working on this one single because after we got the last album on and on and on out, we decided we wanted to really focus in on one smaller project and really see it through all the way. And part of that is having a music video for it. And we have this really fun sort of horror music video planned with our buddies, Xavier Henderson, is the lead actor in it and this really fun, spooky story that’s going to be told.

And we’re maybe about a third of the way into the production of it, the filming. We have all the shots planned. We have the storyline planned. We have the costumes and everything.

Sara: We were totally disease stricken for the last couple of weeks and we got a bit behind on production. And we might have to bump it, but it’ll still happen eventually.

Becca: Yeah, that’s too bad. I also was very sick.

Ben: We woke up yesterday morning, which was going to be a day that we went to band practice. And then at the end of the day, squeezed in. I hope we were trying to squeeze in like five hours of filming. And we were like, there’s no way.

James Griffin: After that practice, we got done at like 8.30. We made the right call.

Becca: Yeah, no, that’s a long time.

James Griffin: My music video might as well like push it back, make it good. Yeah, doesn’t have to come out at any particular time. Although it would be cool.

Ben: It would be cool, but it’s also like I came to terms with this. I’m so quick to like put things out because I have this idea like, oh, people are expecting it. No one’s expecting it. Nobody cares.

Sara: Nobody asked for this. They might care if I actually take the time to like do this all the way. And create this product that I, or product, create this piece of art that I see.

James Griffin: It is a product. Yeah, it’s a thing. But if I actually can manifest it, maybe people will care. But if I put out this like half-assed version of it.

Becca: Well, if you’ve put this much work into it, it’s not worth not doing, you know, putting the rest of the effort in. Because if you’re going to write a whole plot line and have actual actors and like, you might as well just write it out. It might take three times as long as you thought.

Ben: Yeah, we were doing this shot last weekend and I was like sitting on the hood of our car while Sarah was back. And we were packing it up and we had the headlights aimed at our actor and he was walking. And I thought it was going to be the super cool shot. And I got back and uploaded it and got it into Final Cut and started playing around with it. And it looks like it was shot on a microwave.

James Griffin: It’s so bad the lighting was so off.

James Griffin: And I was so ready to do a video of like a cryptid sighting. Yeah, yeah. Type of vibe.

Sara: We’ve in the past collaborated with our buddy who’s a super talented filmmaker, Isaiah Marcelino. And it would be kind of nice to get him back in the mix because he’s, I mean, he’s just great.

Ben: He’s a great grip. He knows a lot about just framing shots and we’ve done some great projects and a short amount of time with him too.

Sara: Yeah, he’s a pro. Are they from around here?

Ben: Yeah, Isaiah went to high school with Griffin and I as well. He lives in Summerville, Mass.

Sara: Which is where I lived before I came here. We switched. Yeah, his full address is.

James Griffin: Hey, we’re shot. Give it a shout out.

Ben: If you want to work with him, he’s in Summerville, Mass.

Becca: Yeah, cool. Definitely. Do you have other music videos? I know you had, there was one YouTube video that I found. Tell me about that one.

Sara: Oh, the My Tie music video. That was during a phase in our creative collaboration between the three of us where we were spending a lot of time in front of a green screen. We would do like YouTube, we were trying to do like a YouTube series of like live performances with like fun overdubs. And then we decided to just make a music video for My Tie, which is like sort of supposed to be a song about freaking out at the mall, just like having a bad time at the mall. So we got a bunch of pictures off of Google and set us up in the mall. Nice.

Ben: When we were filming this, our apartment was approximately eight feet wide. Like it was a very, very small room and we had a green screen along one wall. We had our phone camera basically like hanging on the other wall while staring at a night dance.

James Griffin: Oh yeah, it was like, it was very low budget production.

James Griffin: But it was a lot of fun. We had a lot of fun props.

Ben: Yeah, toilet paper roll. We were prepared it all. We didn’t like buy anything. We were just like, what do we have around the house that you could get at a mall? We’re like, oh wait, everything. Right.

Becca: Yeah, no, that’s cool. That’s definitely fun. And when did that one come out again? Did you say?

Ben: I think that was last Valentine’s Day.

Sara: Yep, yeah, it was. I think so. We also, I don’t know, I don’t think Griffin was involved in this, but we did a music video together with Isaiah for a song off of one of Ben’s solo album.

Ben: Why did two music videos with Isaiah?

Sara: There’s one for POV and then you and I worked together on the Hotel County Jail music video. Which is cool if you get a chance to check it out. It’s a really fun video. Hotel County Jail by Ben Burr off of soft cheese.

Becca: Nice. Nice. Okay, so you have some of your own solo stuff out too.

Ben: Yeah, that’s what Sarah and I met actually. Oh, cool. Very cool. Nice. How long have you been playing in general? I always kind of ask people’s back story. Sometimes I go in a funny order. So tell me. I mean, music has been a part of my life since second grade when I started the violin.

Cool. So I played a number of instruments and tried a number of different styles and types of things out. I almost was a choral major in college. Like I was really into like the classical choral stuff. And then I graduated and I was like, wait, I don’t like this at all.

So it was a long journey since then of finding what I like, but it’s always been production and just digital production and playing the guitar have always been my favorite. Cool. Things.

Becca: Cool. And where are you guys from? I know you said you went to the same high school. Are you from here or are you from a different state?

James Griffin: No, I’m from like central Vermont.

Ben: Cool. Griffin’s from Warren. I’m from Northfield. We both went to Harwood. Fully Doxxed.

Becca: Nice. Fully Doxxed, exactly.

Ben: And Sarah’s from Boston.

Becca: I was just going to ask, Sarah.

Sara: Tell me about where you started. I’m an odd one out. Yeah. Well, I’m from the North Shore. I’m from Sagas, Massachusetts, which is known for its stretch of highway with lots of landmarks on it, like an orange dinosaur and the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Nice. Cool. It’s like the Vegas strip of Boston. True Americana. I love it. Nice.

Becca: Very cool. And how long have you been making music?

Sara: I’ve been playing music, like Ben said, like my whole life. I’ve always been just kind of like obsessed, like teaching myself, not as like formal with it as Ben, but I started like messing around with pro tools and like recording music and stuff in high school. And yeah. Cool. Yeah. Nice.

James Griffin: I’d be interested to hear some of that. Yeah.

Sara: I keep trying to find it. I have like a couple YouTube channels that are buried in the mix. Yeah. Nice.

Becca: I need to find them and embed them on the show. There you go. I guess some history in there. James, how about you? How long have you been playing?

James Griffin: So I started in like fifth grade on flute.

Becca: Nice. Me too. The originals. Oh yeah.

James Griffin: Gave up on that. Oh yeah. Me too, unfortunately. He did play the flute on the single. I did a little bit. It was not.

Becca: It was. Some Jeff Rottell action.

James Griffin: Modern day Bobby.

Ben: Yeah.

James Griffin: Yeah. And then I transitioned to guitar in like high school. And then my band needed a bass player and I was the worst guitar player. So I based. And I started messing around on the drums. The rest is history. Nice.

Becca: You found your eventual colleague. Precisely. He’s so good at the drums.

James Griffin: That’s crazy. Ah, shut up.

Becca: Nice. Yeah. And yeah, just to clear up the confusion because you’re calling me James. They’re calling me Griffin. Griffin’s my middle name. James is my first name.

Sara: When I found out that Griffin was not actually his first name, it was like a big day for me.

James Griffin: It is for everyone and I’m always confused. Like is that that blew your mind? That blew your mind?

Ben: It’s just a different. The little Griffin you go around being like I am a mythical bird. That’s who I am.

James Griffin: Bird lion. And then actually it’s like actually I’m Jim.

James Griffin: You know, some some days I want to be a mythical bird and some days I want to just be Jimmy. Yeah.

Ben: All right. Griffin is mythical, right? I’m not.

Sara: There’s no such thing as a.

James Griffin: Eagle. Like an eagle and a lion. Yeah. Okay. That’s what I thought. Eagle had lion but. Yes.

Becca: Yes. So. So do you guys have any influences that you feel like are strong enough to call out by name? I know that’s always a.

Sara: Sometimes I ask this question and they get really mad at me. I would say that the review of on and on and on that Jordan Adams was that the name did called out a lot of our influences unprompted like Eric Abadou and I can’t think of any others.

Ben: Yeah, I know he didn’t mention Steely Dan, which is definitely a connecting force between the three of us.

James Griffin: Oh yeah. Yeah. Well they kind of you know I had heard some Steely Dan songs and I was like, yeah, they’re cool. But I never really liked over into their discography until I kind of reconnected with with with you too.

Sara: Yeah, but Steely Dan is like really. Yeah, I listen to them a lot more now and like, you know, I started with Asia and then, you know, I kind of branched out from there. But yeah. Well, it’s like it’s a pillar of our marriage and so are you kind of.

James Griffin: I don’t know how to feel about that.

James Griffin: That’s a lot of pressure guys. Now I’m going to blame myself.

Ben: Don’t worry, we’ll blame you first.

James Griffin: Okay, cool. All right, that’s comforting. I’m going to post on Facebook and be like, you know, it was a great marriage, but unfortunately because of Griffin.

Becca: I can hear Steely Dan. I can hear it. I listen to some of your stuff. I get to listen to much of it because I’m not very good about doing my research early. I did my research yesterday and today.

Ben: That’s okay. It was good. Google duck in the car while I was driving.

Becca: Yeah. I appreciate it. The fact that you even open the document says a lot because a lot of people don’t.

Ben: I thought that might be the case. I didn’t really feel bad about it.

Becca: No, I appreciate it. It’s good to have some direction. Sometimes people come in and they want to just tell me everything and sometimes people come in and I have no idea what to ask because I’m like, okay, I stalked you a little bit but you had nothing online. So tell me everything and then I have to fish for questions. You guys gave me direct things to talk about.

Sara: We’re also like, yeah, we’re yappers. We’re yappers. So you have to like keep us in line

Becca: too to get any answers out of this. That’s what we’re here for. You all came on the rocket shop at one point.

Sara: Oh yeah. I think in August. Cool. I thought that was really fun. Gonna shout out to the rocket shop. I very much appreciate Big Heavy World and I appreciate Bob and Abby and Ross for everything they do. So shouting out Big Heavy World is important.

Ben: It was. Except for my bass situation. What was happening? It’s when I bought that one bass from the… I won’t name any names, but I bought it. Oh, oh! And I was so stoked on it. We’ve been wanting a five string forever. Sarah and I both play the bass and the band, we switch back and forth. We’ve been really wanting a five string.

So we went out, I went to this music store, I saw one and I was like, that’s the bass, that’s coming home with me. And I just bought it like that. Which is not something I do very often.

I’m a pretty frugal guy. I think a lot about things, but the bass, I was like, I need to have that. So we bought that, we got a new bass amp, we brought it home.

I played it, it was amazing. Yeah. Then we went to practice the next day and I took it out of the case and the action was horrible. It was like, you could stick like an entire finger underneath the strings at the 12th fret. And I was like, that’s not good. So I…

James Griffin: Oh dude, it’s good for your tone, man.

Ben: Yeah, it’s good for your tone.

James Griffin: I took it to the shop that I work at and I tried to adjust the truss rod.

Ben: I was like, something’s wrong here. Like none of these are doing anything and I can’t get it to catch.

Becca: And I slipped inside. There just wasn’t a nut in it. It was like completely unadjustable. And so luckily I was able to return it and we ended up just buying a new one from Sweetwater as much as I hate to.

Becca: Yeah. Well, that’s good. At least you were able to return it because it’s a major one.

James Griffin: Yeah, but they send you candy though. They do send you candy.

James Griffin: But in the meantime… I like the candy. Oh, it’s awesome. Every time I get something from Sweetwater, I’m like, oh I can’t believe that candy.

Sara: Banana Laffy Tuffy.

James Griffin: Banana Laffy Tuffy. That’s my little peppermint.

Ben: But before I could return the bass, we had to play our Rocket Shop show. And I had to play this bass that had just horrible action the whole time.

Sara: It ended up sounding fine. You sounded good. You sounded good.

James Griffin: Yeah, it was a lot of fun. They only had two vocal mics though. During the mid-show interviews, you could hear Ben and Sarah. You couldn’t hear me very well. Even though they told me they were like, sorry, I’m putting them on blast right now. But they were like, no, it’ll be a leader.

Sara: We said we weren’t going to trash talk for a good sip.

James Griffin: You’re getting your time now. Yeah, put them on blast. Well, because they told me, oh, it’ll be fine. I was like, no, I don’t believe you.

Sara: It was fine. You have one of the loudest voices ever.

James Griffin: I do. I do. It’s probably a good thing really.

Ben: It encourages people to watch the video so that they can lip read.

Becca: Yes, they have to compare and see how quiet you really were. Well, it’s cool that you’ve been around this area a lot. Where else have you played? Where is your favorite show that you have played?

James Griffin: That’s a good question.

James Griffin: I mean, we’ve, as you know, that’s Kate Eternity. That barn.

Ben: The barn show. That barn show was a lot of fun. John Arons’ barn show. It was like around the like, Virgin’s area. Very beautiful. Yeah. Very beautiful.

Sara: He’s putting on a barn show I saw on Instagram with Remi Russon. Yep. Who’s going to be at our Halloween party.

Ben: Yeah, that’s this Saturday. Like a couple week off this Saturday. Go to that, but also don’t go to Queer Takeover because we’re playing Queer Takeover.

Sara: Oh, cool. We love Radio Bean. That’s a fun one. We’ve had some of our best and some of our worst shows there.

Becca: So it’s a mixed bag. Yeah, that’s a radio beans for. Polar opposite. So the Halloween show, where is that one? The Halloween show is with Remi, Russon, the eye traps, and Clive.

Ben: Where is that? That is going to be at the Woods Lodge. Gotcha. It’s sort of our first foray back into taking over the stage there. My dad and I built the stage on the property when I was a senior in high school so that my band at the time, Peace in the Valley, could have an album release party there. Peace in the Valley. Yeah, shout out.

James Griffin: What’s up? Everybody good? Check him out. If you know, you know. You know, you know.

Ben: And then since then I’ve held a couple fairly successful festivals there. I did Peace Fest, which Peace in the Valley headlined. And then a few years after that, I put on the cheese ball, which financially was not a success, but people had a lot of fun.

Becca: They had a ball. They had a ball. They had a ball. And so now we’re, you know, with the idea of starting to do concerts there regularly next year, this Halloween party is sort of our first foray back into it. And it’s a time to test the venues limits, try to get some more people there and see what we need to improve on.

Sara: Figure out how many porta-potties we need to have in the mix.

James Griffin: Yeah, really logistical stuff like that.

Becca: Yeah. Yeah, there’s a lot to that. Do you have to deal with generators or is there power?

James Griffin: There’s enough power.

Sara: Take a trench.

James Griffin: Yeah, we have two. World War II style. Like the olden days.

James Griffin: We’ll have the trench and the trough.

James Griffin: Love a trough. Love a trough. Love me a trough. I’m a farm animal at heart.

Becca: Yeah, so tell me some more about the lodge. So is it a garage space? Is it outside?

Ben: Like what is it like? So it is a summer camp that was built in the 1920s.

Sara: It actually is a really interesting and rich history.

Ben: Yeah, it was originally a Christian summer camp. Yeah, it’s got ghosts. I think there are. There are some people who have died on the property. So there might be special for Halloween.

James Griffin: Ooh, they might visit us. She used to do some ghost hunting. We should go out there.

Ben: Right. Black lights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are many spirits we’d like to hang out with. We could do a Ouija board.

James Griffin: There you go. You’re not supposed to do those, dude. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re gonna get possessed or what. Right, right, right.

Sara: But yeah, there’s indoor event space and outdoor event space. The stage is outdoors. The stage is outdoors. We’re trying to come up with options for, you know, rain date. Right. Indoor space because there’s like a dining room and bar inside of the main building.

James Griffin: Well, we played that dining room for our high school graduation party.

Ben: We did. I was, when we were having a meeting last week about the venue, my parents were like, I don’t know if we could do it inside. And I was like, listen, I feel like 200 people in that.

James Griffin: Oh, that? It was popping. It was. That party was popping.

Ben: It was like the graduation party for Harwood, Montpelier, Northfield. I felt like everyone was like that. Yeah,

James Griffin: yeah. There were a lot of people there. I was. To be the guy who talks about parties in high school. Yeah. That’s kind of. It was my peak. When you played the show, it’s different. At that party. Yeah. It’s been all downhill since that.

Sara: The only thing I think about actually. I would talk about high school parties if I went to any. I was in anime club. We didn’t have parties.

Ben: Oh, that’s so much cooler though.

James Griffin: You didn’t have anime club parties? We did, but it was like,

Sara: everybody, I guess we do a sleepover and we put four in Madagascar. We get a couple things. And we watch anime and eat. Yeah.

Speaker 6: Like, yeah. The cupcakes could be called out. It was crazy. Yeah.

James Griffin: That’s a very, I don’t know.

Becca: Very specific anime thing. Nice. Cool. Well, that sounds like an incredibly cool space. And it’s really cool that you have somewhere somewhat big to have indoor because let’s say it’s Vermont. Yeah.

It’s going to rain or snow or something. Yeah. It always does. Yeah. Yeah.

Now that’s really cool though. And I’m curious to hear more about the history of the place. We don’t have to get into it too far because I know we’re talking about the band.

Sara: Sure. No, I’m happy to talk about it. There’s a quick rundown version, I think.

Ben: It was a summer camp, a Christian summer camp for like a hoity-toity one. You had to buy uniforms in New York City.

Becca: Right. The 20s, right? Whoa.

Ben: Yeah. It was a big deal. The Roar in 20s for the Christian school kids. Right. On end. And then I’m not sure when that dissolved, but I know that the next owner I’m aware of was in the 70s when it became the Light and Life Center.

James Griffin: And it was like a hippie-dibby healing.

Sara: I was going to say that sounds super hippie. Cult. Yeah. The power within.

James Griffin: The power within.

Speaker 6: The power within.

Ben: Full spectrum lighting throughout. And so then after that there were owners who I think just sort of lived there and used it as a personal property. And we recently found a video of when they were selling it to the next owners or when they had it listed. And it’s crazy to look at this video of the property that I live on, but from 40 years ago, all the trees are so small because it’s central Vermont, so it was completely deforested in the 1900s.

So all the trees are very, very young in the 80s. And there’s this whacked out dude going around with the video camera filming everything. And every room he goes into flips on a switch and goes full spectrum lighting throughout.

Ben: And here’s the bedroom full spectrum lighting throughout, which just means that it has fluorescent lights on the ceiling. Like it’s not a drop. And then anyway, after that owner was owned by Steven Sue Norris, who turned it back into a summer camp, but this time more of like a your classic like archery learning, learning skills.

Becca: Americana summer camp. Yeah.

James Griffin: And then my shout out. Shout out camp Abnaki.

Sara: Really the cool like the last little pin in that is that what was it the state or whatever who came in and redid the pool area.

Ben: Yeah, the state. There was a dam on the property that was built in the 1920s that was set behind this beautiful waterfall that we have on the property. And it backed up the river to create this almost like, I mean, it was pretty big. Like it was like lake sized basin that the kids could swim in. And that the dam broke at some point in the 1900s. And so the river fell down and there was just this big concrete slab that made it difficult for the fish to get back.

Becca: Yeah, that makes sense. Spawn. It sounds like some shit they do at a summer camp in the 1900s.

Ben: Right. Yeah, exactly.

Sara: We’re just going to make a lake now. No regard for the wildlife whatsoever. Yeah.

Ben: But it worked out well for us. A lake. Yeah. And it had a diving board. Hey, belly diving board.

James Griffin: Yeah, right. Say, say, what do you think we could put a lake here?

James Griffin: Yeah, I like it.

Ben: But the state came in and offered my family the chance. They were basically like, we want to take the dam out and in exchange, what we’ll do is we’ll landscape this whole area for you.

Right. So they they brought this whole area down by the river down to bedrock. They were like giant construction vehicles in their hauling dirt and it was wild. And then they put the dirt back in.

They let the river find its natural path. Right. And then put the dirt back in. And now it’s this really beautiful area and we have a huge field down there. So eventually we’re going to build a stage down there and

Becca: be able to have that’s really nice. National actually kind of helped with that. Because I saw those things. But like, yeah, you you want to change it or do something, especially since you said it collapsed. So right.

James Griffin: Yeah. And it’s like, oh, yeah, you got a hundred thousand dollars.

Becca: Like exactly at minimum. I don’t think I’ve ever like been down there. Oh, really? I have only ever gone up to the the like camp.

Ben: I’ll take you down some. It’s really cool. I’ll let you in on the grand plan.

James Griffin: Take me down to the paradise.

Becca: Yeah, if you’ve got pictures.

Ben: Are there any pictures of this place? Yeah, actually, if you you can find plenty of pictures online, if you search Camp Weakowie or the Woods Lodge, you can find it. I’m not. I don’t remember the exact name of the project that restored the dam. But if you search like the Woods Lodge dam, you can visit it.

Sara: It’s like it’s also public. Publicly partially public land. Now, one of the agreements is that you can go check it out. Right.

Becca: Yeah, that makes sense. That’s really cool, though. Nice. And what day was that one? We didn’t say we didn’t write the date.

Ben: Is this show? Yes. Yes. Yes. All right, bring it back to the show. So that’s October 31st, Halloween.

Becca: Oh, it’s right on Halloween. True Halloween. True Halloween bash.

James Griffin: And like you said, you might see ghosts because dead people are around.

Ben: Not a nice patch, but it’s true.

Sara: My mom’s going to be there. That could be a draw.

Ben: Yeah. Yeah, you can meet Sarah’s mom.

Sara: She’s a nice lady. She’s a nice lady.

Becca: Super cool. OK, all right. Was there anything else that you want to talk about specifically for the band? Do you do? Sorry, sorry. I feel like I should have another question.

Sara: I’ll plug again that we’re going to play on Saturday at Radio Bean.

Ben: Come check us out. And again, the Halloween party on the 31st. We have Remy Russin. We have the eye traps and we have Clive and Remy Russin and the eye traps are bands that I’ve been wanting to work with for a really long time. Clive is a great band and it’s it’s going to be really fun night and it’s an economical night because tickets are only $15. So cool. You can see four great bands and party into the night for 15 bucks.

James Griffin: Yeah, that’s a really good deal. We are making live music affordable. Yeah.

Becca: And bringing it to that area in Vermont is also a big deal. There’s a few venues down that way, but there’s really not a whole lot, especially bigger venues. So this is that’s really cool because the festival idea, if it’s a summer camp, that’s a really cool idea. Yeah, thank you. So many ideas could build off and do with that.

Sara: I do love Charlie O’s, though. That’s a great venue.

Ben: It is. Yeah. Shout out, Charlie. Shout out, Charlie. By the pinball machines.

Becca: Yeah. How far is like half an hour from Montpeliers?

James Griffin: That’s how fast you drive. Yeah, right. I can make it in 20. I know that.

James Griffin: 20.

Sara: Oh, man. I think it’s like 20. I think it’s fast drive around. I can make it in 20 and I am afraid of driving.

Becca: Yeah. So there you go. Yeah. Charlie O’s is really cool. It’s far enough away that I don’t want to do it every weekend. But it’s such a cool spot. Like, I don’t know. Something famous about it. It’s one of the only venues like that left in the state anymore.

Ben: True Divey Bar. Yeah.

Becca: Right. Piece of Vermont history. Yeah. Still doing something.

James Griffin: We also played there was a was that place, the Underground.

Ben: Oh, and Randolph. Yes. I love playing there.

Becca: It’s a nice. That’s a great venue down there. Yeah. That’s the one that James Cross does sound.

Ben: Yeah. Yeah. I just bought a bunch of microphones from James to set up at our venue. Cool.

Becca: Yeah. I was saying, James, you want advice on sound set up? Yeah. Or venue. You should ask James. Because James is the best. Yeah. He will tell you what you should do and he knows all of the things around it, which is pretty sweet and wanted to shout out your Instagram because you mentioned that one at Katie Turnv. C-A-D-Y-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y.

Ben: Thank you for spelling it. I’m normally the one that has to do that.

Becca: Yes. Well, it is a podcast. So it’s important to call that out, though. Most of the time people will see the name on the show when they download it. Cool.

James Griffin: Eventually, we’ll be famous enough where you can spell it wrong and Google and we’ll still come up.

Ben: Google said, you mean Katie Turnv? Yeah, exactly. But we’re not there yet. So right now we have to spell it. Right now, if you type in our band name, Google is like, you sure you surely didn’t mean that.

Becca: Yeah, it’s like, what are you talking about? Did you mean cat eternity?

James Griffin: I want to go there. I do want to know about that.

Becca: I’m surprised it doesn’t come up with golf stuff, honestly, with people like misspelling catty.

James Griffin: Oh, true. And everyone thought that. It didn’t, though, because I tried this and it did not. I was able to find you guys. I think seven days actually came up like pretty high, which means just be Google stalking me and being like, oh, you’re from Vermont.

Ben: Well, it might also be because I’ve typed in Katie Turnv seven days into Google about 10 million times.

James Griffin: Yeah, perfect. Big on the artificial inflation. This is wonderful. I’ve made many YouTube accounts that just

Ben: boost our likes and stuff like that. I make strange Reddit accounts and I say, hey, my friend’s banned.

James Griffin: Yeah, exactly. Have you guys heard of this band? Exactly. So cool. Just found them today.

Sara: It can’t give away all the insider secrets.

Ben: I’ve kicked off Reddit for doing that.

Becca: It’s pretty funny how that is a pretty legitimate thing in marketing. You just kind of have to lie all the time.

James Griffin: It’s why I’m getting used to it. The most tame thing possible. You could get kicked off Reddit for a problem.

Becca: Yeah, that’s very mild. So yeah, the Vermont subreddit people and the Burlington separate.

Ben: I don’t know who’s running. Subreddit is horrible. These guys are such dorks.

Sara: So negative energy in there.

Ben: Yeah, it is. Yeah, it’s like a trap for it. And it’s also like it’s either just people.

James Griffin: I feel like that’s all of Reddit.

Becca: Yes. Half the Internet. I like to point it out on every other place that no one should go. At least half the Internet traffic is like bot generated in AI.

Speaker 7: So like dead internet. We see all the like angry. What is the Internet now? The they openly admit this is their plan. Like they’re not even against bots anymore. They’re like, no, we’re going to make the bots and we’re going to tell you what you should think because all of the comments are going to be very one way or the other. Right. They’re all god damn bots.

Ben: Of course, except for the people in the Burlington subreddit who go, hey, did anybody hear that sound?

Becca: Yeah, I like that. I love that one. It’s like they’re like kind of mild. The mild ones are real people. The ones that are like very one way or the other.

Speaker 6: Burlington is over.

Becca: Excuse me. Yes, exactly. They’re like, this is the worst city in the world. Like we have the lowest. At the same time, they’re talking about like this being the greatest place to live in the world. Right. Like every one was like that. Burlington’s dead now. Everyone’s dying. It’s unsafe.

Sara: Set the person who’s never gone outside.

Becca: Exactly. Like I really want to see these people go to an actual scary place. Because they would. What would they do? They would just die of fear or something.

Ben: I was just in Philly. We went to see Hayatis Coyote in Philly and went to this incredible Mexican restaurant. And it’s like it wasn’t like a cheap place. You know, like it was like a nice restaurant. But it was in Kensington.

And it was in Kensington. And so like we ate this. We eat this incredible meal, wonderful drinks, great service. And we open the door and it’s just like 10 police cars with their lights on. Music is so loud. You can’t like talk to someone else from like 10 different boom boxes and people are just like.

Sara: The Coopio was a good vibe, though.

Ben: Doing the trank, doing the trangling. Doing the trangling.

Speaker 6: Oh my God, were you just in that restaurant right there?

Becca: That’s crazy. See, that’s it. Like Burlington is so chill. The people are.

Ben: Yeah, at least comparatively. Comparatively, exactly. Like I know crappy stuff happens, but crappy stuff happens everywhere.

James Griffin: I mean, I had a guy ask me for $20 on Church Street. I was like, that was a little bold.

Sara: Inflation is inflation. But that was like the worst. Uh, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, huh? Right. I’m not your buddy. Yeah.

Becca: That’s such a specific amount. Yeah. He’s like, hey, can I have $20? Yeah.

Sara: Well, that’s about enough for a pack of six and two tall boys these days. That’s kind of like the perfect amount to have a night. Yeah. Wow.

James Griffin: Unfortunately for him, I did not have $20.

Ben: Yeah. I’m like, I need $20.

James Griffin: Yeah. I was like, you guys need $20?

Becca: Exactly.

James Griffin: Do you have it as anyone?

Becca: I don’t know how we got on this, but. But you guys are playing at Radiobn. And what was, did you say that’s next week?

Ben: I think it’s this Saturday. Veronica just texted me today and was like, do you want to do queer takeover this week? So I think that would be. I turned my phone off because I was afraid of it.

Becca: Sorry. Yes, I think that would be the. I have seen that advertised though. So. Cool. And that’s going to be before that’s after this comes out, which is good. Yes. Perfect. So we will plug that radio bean queer face, queer takeover. Sorry, not queer face. Is queer face the thing? It should be. I mean, there’s got to be one out there. There’s going to be one. Yeah.

James Griffin: They’ll be making anything a festival these days.

Sara: Okay, Gramps. Back in my day, we had a real festival. He started the pocket buff. Like Woodstock.

Ben: Start the pocket. I thought he was like, I’m the relaxed one.

James Griffin: And he’s like, these people asking me for $20 on the street. And the war is.

Speaker 7: Now I was relating. I was relating a story about how bad Burlington is. Sorry. It’s just guy asked me for $20. That’s really.

James Griffin: It was bold, but it wasn’t bad.

Becca: It was like, all right. It could be much worse.

James Griffin: I was like, you know, man, I respect your.

Sara: Griffin, we’re trying to segue out of this.

James Griffin: Griffin. Griffin. I know, I know.

Speaker 7: James, Jimmy. I hear you. I hear you. I hear you. You put me on blast though. Sorry.

Becca: OK, all right. So the only two official things are the radio bean show next week, the 18th and the 31st. Yes. At the Woods Lodge. Correct. In Northfield. Is that right? Yes. OK. All right. Because you said a couple of different names down that way.

Sara: We’re playing a secret show in November and we can’t tell you what it is.

Becca: Oh, well, you’ll have to.

James Griffin: So secret. I didn’t even know about it.

Becca: We’ll have to follow you on Instagram to keep track because secret shows are cool. But you get how. When do you announce a secret show? When is the correct time to actually be like this is happening?

Ben: Well, it’s it’s just a company party for my my work.

Speaker 6: It’s not.

Sara: I think it’s sort of an open thing a little bit, though. I think people outside the company will probably be invited. If you know, you know, type thing. Yeah, right. You’ll be there.

Ben: So listening to this, you’ll be there. Someday we’ll do a true secret show where we announce like the day of. But right now, I don’t think we have enough followers on Instagram to make.

James Griffin: Yeah, we’re not famous enough for that yet.

Sara: We’re milking the algorithm.

Ben: We’d be like, we have a secret show tonight. Guys come out and then we would start playing and no one would be there. Yeah.

James Griffin: They go, it really is a secret show. No one knows about it.

Becca: Hey, except the name. Eventually, I was going to say, eventually it’s going to happen. It’ll work in Vermont someday. I also wanted to shout out you also have Katie Ternady.net. I like to give your legitimate websites, even if it’s not get that much on it.

Ben: That’s our EPK. If you want to find out what we’re all about, go check it out.

Becca: Hey, it was artsy and cool. And also, I don’t love social media companies and you own the website.

Sara: So it’s true. It’s not even Squarespace. It’s all a home.

James Griffin: Brood. Wow. Brude website. You or him?

Sara: Me. We’re both graphic designers, though.

Ben: It is what I dropped out of college for me, too.

Sara: Nice. Cool. OK, anything else that you wanted to say or plug in. Thank you. Thank you all for coming on the show.

James Griffin: This is thank you for having us. Yeah. Yeah, this was this was a lot of fun. This is my first podcast ever. Nice, which I’m a little late to the game. They’re fun, right? I feel like everybody has. You’ve never even listened to one. Nope.

Sara: You did a good job considering you’re totally unfamiliar with the format.

James Griffin: I listen to audiobooks.

Becca: Yes, audio. I listen to a lot of audiobooks. I, to be honest, don’t listen to many podcasts. I’ll listen to my friends every now and then do something. But I like making them. I don’t listen to music.

Ben: Exactly. I like it. I’ll have my like set of music. I listen to you, but I don’t. I don’t. Right. It’s hard to find stuff. It’s not like we have the YouTube of 2010 anymore.

James Griffin: Residenties. I just finished The Wheel of Time. Nice. Yeah, I listened to a lot of it. And then I read like the second half. And so I’m in that club now. Nice. Just so I just so I can share that.

Becca: Congratulations. I’m proud of it. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. OK. All right. Ben, Sarah, James Griffin. Very specific. Thank you all for coming on the show. Today’s episode was the 59th, which is insane.

So the show notes will be at VermontTalks.com forward slash 59 and go see Kate Eternity at the Woods Lodge on the 31st of October. Yeah. Woo. OK. Bye.

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